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  • Date 21 Jul 2020 5:14 PM
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MX80L Drive with Vix-AH shows serious cogging and counter overflow issues.

bprall@cmxr.com
By  bprall@cmxr.com 5 months ago

I have a pair of MX80L with the 10 nm encoders that I am trying to set up with some vix-ah drives.  When I try to get the servo loops tuned I see serious cogging in the open loop moves where the allowed input does not seem to be able to move past the valleys sometimes.  If I increase the input level when it accelerates into a valley it trips the encoder overflow fault.  Here is the 1status serial response:

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  • Daniel Cliffe
    0 Daniel Cliffe, Employee 5 months ago

    Most likely, the root cause of this issue is a commutation problem.  The encoder, hall sensors and motor phases all need to line up in a very specific way to ensure that the drive can deliver current to the correct phase and generate controlled motion.

    When halls, phases and the encoder do not align correctly, you can sometimes get the motor to work a little bit.  Since the drive is delivering current at the wrong electrical angle, the motor can lose force in certain areas, which looks a lot like bad cogging.  Most of the time, the drive will also generate thermal faults if operated too long under these conditions.

    Since the bad motion leads to a lot of jumping around, high resolution encoders can also suffer from overflow faults -- basically just being driven too fast.

    It looks like your encoder resolution is set correctly from the image above, so there are two likely causes for this problem:

    1. Wrong phase order for motor power leads.  This is the most common source of commutation problems that I encounter.  The proper wiring sequence can be found on page 39 of the MX80L manual.  The order is red -> U, white -> V, black -> W and green -> GND.
    2. After you get an encoder overflow fault, you need to cycle power to recover.  Since the encoder is incremental, the drive has no way to get its position (and true electrical angle) back after such a fault.  If you usually move the stage by hand to position it, please keep in mind that it needs to be moved at a maximum of 30 mm/s.
    3. If the MX80L's original factor cable has been replaced, modified or extended, this is likely the problem as these cables can be hard to build.

    There are also a couple of less likely possibilities:

    1. If your MX80L was purchased prior to 1 June 2009, you will need the high resolution interpolator box and interconnect cable installed in your system.  Details are available on page 27 of the MX80L manual.
    2. You could have a damaged motor coil.  Specifically, you could have a winding short.  To check for this, power down everything.  Then, unplug (or unwire) the motor power cable from the drive.  Use an ohmmeter to check the resistance from red-white, white-black and black-red.  They should all be about the same, within roughly 10% of each other assuming the leads are squeezed right up against the ohmmeter leads.  In addition, check from red, white and black to green.  You should see extremely high resistance -- megaohms or unreadable.  If you are seeing continuity to ground or really low resistance between two phases, you probably need to send in your MX80L for repair.

    I hope this helps.  Please let us know if your issue persists.

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    0 bprall@cmxr.com 5 months ago in reply to Daniel Cliffe

    Thanks for the reply.  The colors of the connections match the labels in the two manuals/  I have the encoder interpolator boxes installed.  After the faults I usually 1Z them with the serial connection.

    I worked on them again this morning and got them both to work but the CL levels have to be tuned very low down like 5% and 7% which gives them very narrow margin for dealing with any issues.  Touching the stages will generally fault them as the servo loop is not strong enough to prevent motion and if the Loop is off then the speed is often faster than the counter allowed rate.

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  • Daniel Cliffe
    0 Daniel Cliffe, Employee 5 months ago in reply to bprall@cmxr.com

    What controller are you using with this ViX?  Is it a Parker controller or third-party?  It could be that the ViX and MX80L are fine and that the controller just needs to have its gains adjusted.

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    0 bprall@cmxr.com 5 months ago in reply to Daniel Cliffe

    It is am Omron controller.  I think I have this sorted mainly by restricting the CL in both the amplifier and then the max output in the omron close loop to make sure it does not ever trip the encoder fault on the Vix.  That at least gets the motion smooth but the servo loop can only hold back about a pound of force so the loop will crash anytime the user touches the platform likely.  When the loop is killed the platform can be touches but it is pretty easy to generate the 30 mm/s instantously velocity just touching the stage.  This also faults the system.  These faults need a power reset to the drive since their is no control pin connection which provides the 1Z from the terminal equivalent.


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    0 Daniel Cliffe, Employee 5 months ago in reply to bprall@cmxr.com

    In general, the MX80L is not designed to apply much force, only 0.9-1.8 lb continuous depending on the model.  My general recommendation is that the machine needs to be built such that the user does not move the stage.  In addition, the travel path should be free of obstructions.  If you absolutely need a reset feature equivalent to 1Z, you could use a relay to cut power to terminal X1/7 (+24 VDC) and reapply it a couple seconds later.

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    0 Daniel Cliffe, Employee 5 months ago in reply to bprall@cmxr.com

    In general, the MX80L is not designed to apply much force, only 0.9-1.8 lb continuous depending on the model.  My general recommendation is that the machine needs to be built such that the user does not move the stage.  In addition, the travel path should be free of obstructions.  If you absolutely need a reset feature equivalent to 1Z, you could use a relay to cut power to terminal X1/7 (+24 VDC) and reapply it a couple seconds later.

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